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Borked Face Templates and Pre-Made Sims (and how to fix them!)
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So, as many of you may be aware of, two of the default Maxis face templates - 21 and 25 - are broken, as in they're not linked correctly to the other ages. They'll show up as face template 2 for any other age than adult (sometimes the elf template).

There is a fix for this by Argon, here: http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,9028.0.html. It'll fix any new sims created with those templates (and fixes default replacements, too).

However, this doesn't do any good for any sims already created with the borked templates. This includes several Maxis pre-mades, playables and townies alike. They pass on this borkiness to their children.

Thanks to strange_tomato, I found this tutorial: http://linna.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=56241. It explains how to make facial surgery genetic. Using this, I'll be able to fix the broken pre-mades through SimPE, and I'll soon start working on this for my clean templates and the uberhood.

I thought it would be a good idea to have a list of the broken pre-mades, and any help would be appreciated. I'm mainly interested in playables and townies/NPCs which are in the uberhood/templates, which I will fix, but for reference we can make a list of other townies/NPCs/downtownies/dormies as well.

Here's the ones I know:

Pleasantview:
Cassidy Pederson (NPC bartender)

Veronaville:
Hal Capp

Sim State University:
Jared Starchild
Martin Ruben
Joshua Ruben

La Fiesta Tech:
Mickey Dosser

Academie Le Tour:
Tom Freshe

Bluewater Village:
Breanna Custer (townie) - name randomizes when adding BV as a shopping district.

Desiderata Valley:
Sophia Jocque
Violet Jocque (has some features from Sophia)

FT Stealth Hood:
Jessica Picaso

Not the in Uberhood and clean templates:

Several downtownies as well as townies and NPCs from the various other base 'hoods.

There's also a couple of other... quirks in the pre-mades' genetics. Gilbert Jacquet, Denise Jacquet and Jasmine Rai have all been given surgery by Maxis, so their genetics do not match their looks, to lesser or greater extents. If you clone them and look at them in Body Shop, you'll see what I mean. I'll be able to fix this too, but should I? And if I do, should their genetics to be set like what they look like, or should their looks be set like their genetics? Do you know of other sims like this?

Also, in the case of Hal Capp, should his genetics/looks be made to match what he looks like as a child, when the game starts, or what he WILL look like as an adult with the correct template?

Let me know your opinions.

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I'm about to go to work so I'll just quickly say "thanks!" and let you know to take a look at Mortimer Goth. I'm not sure if it's a quirk of the original templates or it if it borkage that gets carried on with clean templates but when you age him down to adult he comes up blond, whereas his hair should be brown or black (I can't remember what his genetics say).

Also, for Gilbert and the other 2, do you mean they were given a dye job so they show one hair colour and genetically have another? There are lots of townies like that. Not sure about playables but definitely lots of townies with dye job. For the clean templates/megahood the one most likely to offend in that category is Kaylynn Langerak, who is genetically blond. There is actually a list of townies and their dye jobs amongst stories at the Exchange. But I don't think I could find it even if you offered me a variety of favours. I just know I've seen it in the past, linked from a site.

Hey. :)

This isn't actually about hair colour, but the facial structures. I've already fixed all hair colour inconsistencies to the best of my ability, including the townies (there's some notes on it somewhere in my journal).

The hair colour sims get when aging down from elder appears to be more or less random, and I don't know of a way to fix it in SimPE, but a quick trip to the mirror will fix that right up so I haven't really concerned myself with it. Mortimer's genetic hair colour was brown, originally, but I changed it to black because, well, that's what it SHOULD be (according to pictures and everyone he's related to and well, Sims 1).

Gilbert's blonde, he's just dyed his hair black. But his genetic facial structure features a flat nose and a huge scary chin. And his mother's genetic facial structure looks absolutely nothing like her.

I noticed this in Hal too! I knew something was wrong there and when Strange_tomato posted about a born in game sim with an odd face template, I knew for certain that it wasn't just me.

I'd really like it if Hal's adult face matched his child and teen face. It's odd that he literally transforms when aging into an adult. He looks like a different sim entirely.

I was thinking that too, the same thing with Gilbert, Denise and Jasmine. They should look like how people know them. Just thought I'd ask for input on it.


Wait a second, so this means that adult Hal Capp does not look like the "real" Hal? O_o

Oh damn it! And I've just extracted him for my new hood :P.

Yeah, as a kid he looks like a Face 2 sim with pointy eyebrows: http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Hal_Capp

...And as an adult he looks like a Face 21 sim with pointy eyebrows (same face template at Tom Freshe).

Don't we all just love Eaxis and their sloppiness? 8 (9) EPs and they never fixed this.

I'd like to see Hal Capp keep his child looks. I extracted him to use at LFT based on that look, only to be very surprised by his adult face.

Yeah, me too. I've never really played him as an adult, so his child looks is what I know him by. I imagine it'll be the same for most people.

What do you think about Gilbert and Co?

(Also, I kinda like Jasmine's "real" nose, it has character. :P)

Darn, how annoying is this!? :P Way to go (again) Eaxis... I already gave some of the pre-mades tiny surgeries in the Uberhood, so I guess I should do the same to all the rest of them too. Like Hal Capp and Jacquets. I guess there's no chance to take a break even for a day from the pc ;)

thanks for sharing this information, I had no idea that those face templates were borked :/

Make sure to follow the tutorial above from MTS2 if you want your surgeries to be genetic. :) Otherwise their kids will get the same problems.

Wow, I knew the Jacquets were somehow borked, because they are impossible to clone correctly, but not all those others O_0

Maybe I'm a bit late already, but personally I'd change them based on how they look when the game starts, because that's how we know them. :)

Yeah, it clones their genetic looks instead of the surgerie'd ones. I'm glad I worked out that mystery. :P

That's what I decided to do, too. :)

Hello! Isn't one of Jon Smith Tricou's illegitimate downtownie kids based on this template? 1E9, the blonde gothy one? I don't have him because of a cleaned out template, but I remember hearing that somewhere.

He is indeed, he's got template 25. I guess a lot of people were disappointed when growing him up. :P

Now that you mention it, the blonde goth did look different before I made him a YA, but it's harder to tell because of the make-up. But his "brother", the one with glasses and the ugly hair cut, definitely got a completely different face, the same that can be seen here http://simppl-life.livejournal.com/2171.html (scroll down to last pictures) and my comment. And in my game, Sophia Jocque, from Desiderata Valley, gained elf ears (and template I assume) just like the Ruben brothers.

I knew about the two downtownie kids (they're not included in the uberhood, though, because I don't think any of them were really meant to be John Smith Tricou's kids - silly EAxis), but not about Sophia! But that makes sense, she does have the 25-template features. Thanks for letting me know! *goes to add her to The List*

(Also, cute plantsims. :))

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I know. I'm afraid there's nothing I can do about that, since it's not my tutorial, but the instructions still explain what to do. Maybe you could contact the creator of the tutorial and ask if they can put the pictures back up.

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I didn't even know that Sophia would have elf ears as an elder until she kept producing kids with them in my game :(

Updated information regarding the Broken Maxis Face Templates

I have updated some information regarding the broken Maxis face templates. There's also another version of the 25th Maxis face template for adult males that's linked to the 23rd face template. However I don't think any pre-made Sims use this version of the 25th face, and as a result, I haven't found anyone else online that has mentioned it's existence, although I can't be the only one that knows about it. The updated information can be found on The Sims Wiki.

Edited at 2016-05-11 10:42 pm (UTC)

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